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STAGE ONE!!!! Duel Projects??? The build begins...
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:07 pm
by Livin4Today
Lift Kits are on their way and should be here Friday. So I need to know who might be willing to guide to or lend me a pitman arm puller. I'm hoping (probably out of my mind) to show up at the meeting/bbq with both rigs a couple inches taller...
The current Plan is starting on the JK Friday afternoon evening, and catching the TJ Saturday, if any of you are lacking entertainment or just likes to hear an old guy swear, come on over, I am always open to assistants....

Re: STAGE ONE!!!! Duel Projects??? The build begins...
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:34 pm
by Ace_Cherokee
JK Lance wrote:if any of you are lacking entertainment or just likes to hear an old guy swear, come on over, I am always open to assistants....

Sounds fun to me!
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:35 pm
by SPR
You can rent most tools (like a pitman arm puller) from Autozone for pretty much free ($5) at the most. They have you buy the rental tool and then refund most, if not all, of your money when you return it in like condition. Just in case... a trick for pitman arm pullers is to tighten them up real good (don't stip out the threads of their cheap puller) and then smack the top of the puller's bolt with a hammer. Most pitman arms need that shock under a load to pop them loose.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:42 pm
by Ace_Cherokee
SPR wrote:You can rent most tools (like a pitman arm puller) from Autozone for pretty much free ($5) at the most. They have you buy the rental tool and then refund most, if not all, of your money when you return it in like condition. Just in case... a trick for pitman arm pullers is to tighten them up real good (don't stip out the threads of their cheap puller) and then smack the top of the puller's bolt with a hammer. Most pitman arms need that shock under a load to pop them loose.
Yea I rented mine from O'reilly(SP) and they refunded the money even though I returned it a day late.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:06 pm
by OldGreen
SPR wrote:You can rent most tools (like a pitman arm puller) from Autozone for pretty much free ($5) at the most. They have you buy the rental tool and then refund most, if not all, of your money when you return it in like condition. Just in case... a trick for pitman arm pullers is to tighten them up real good (don't stip out the threads of their cheap puller) and then smack the top of the puller's bolt with a hammer. Most pitman arms need that shock under a load to pop them loose.
Not only that, that is how they are made. The only one that I know of that you can just go to town with an impact gun on are made by OTC. I'd offer mine up, but it is locked up in toby's shop. . .

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:29 pm
by Livin4Today
While I'm replacing springs the kid across the street has a cherokee (xj?) whose springs are shot due to the previous owner launching the rig off a ledge...
Any chance my springs or Tara's springs could help him out in the front? Meaning will either or any of them fit to get him back to a regular ride height?
I told him I'd ask around...
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:32 pm
by OldGreen
I think I have some stock Cherokee springs. Tara's springs are too short and yours are different.
I will check.when I get home.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:38 pm
by Livin4Today
OldGreen wrote:I think I have some stock Cherokee springs. Tara's springs are too short and yours are different.
I will check.when I get home.
Many thanks sir!
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:33 pm
by OldGreen
I got the goods!
Tell him I also have a set of MOUNTAIN RIDER gas shocks for it for.$50. The springs are on me. His shocks are most likely blown if the front is sagging that bad.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:58 am
by Livin4Today
OldGreen wrote:I got the goods!
Tell him I also have a set of MOUNTAIN RIDER gas shocks for it for.$50. The springs are on me. His shocks are most likely blown if the front is sagging that bad.
I'll pass it on today, I know he's hurtin' for money waiting for his curbing work to pick-up or his IRS check to show up. But will see what he says.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:00 am
by OldGreen
Either way, he can have the springs. . .free free free!!! and, they are in perfect shape.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:41 am
by TJDave
I am not sure about JK's, or if you need the pitman arm puller for the TJ lift.
But, a lot of TJ lifts come with a dropped pitman arm and they are not needed. Many have installed them, only to get serious bump steer, then ended up putting the stock one back on.
The drag link needs to stay parallel to the angle of the front track bar.
Mine had a total of 4.5" of lift before I recently swapped out the spacers up front. I have had the stock pitman arm the whole time, and have never had any bump steer issues, or full blown death wobble.
Not sure if you need it for the JK, just throwing a FYI out there for the TJ.
Can't wait to see pics of the Jeep/s transformations.
Fun isn't it?

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:58 am
by Livin4Today
TJDave wrote:I am not sure about JK's, or if you need the pitman arm puller for the TJ lift.
But, a lot of TJ lifts come with a dropped pitman arm and they are not needed. Many have installed them, only to get serious bump steer, then ended up putting the stock one back on.
The drag link needs to stay parallel to the angle of the front track bar.
Mine had a total of 4.5" of lift before I recently swapped out the spacers up front. I have had the stock pitman arm the whole time, and have never had any bump steer issues, or full blown death wobble.
Not sure if you need it for the JK, just throwing a FYI out there for the TJ.
Can't wait to see pics of the Jeep/s transformations.
Fun isn't it?

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind as I do both rigs, measure/eyeball first! Then decide if the newer is necessary or not, I'll probably put it on the JK, it's running to Seattle on Sunday, hate to find out I made the wrong decision with that trip looming...
I'm pressing to have them done for the meeting/bbq, so folks can see them in person, but we'll obviously have pictures too.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:02 am
by OldGreen
ON a 5 link front end, you should only change the pitman arm if you lower the mounting point of the track bar. /end/
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:05 am
by Livin4Today
Here's what we are putting on Friday & Saturday...
A 3.5" on the JK & 4" on the TJ
And these sliders...

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:10 am
by Ace_Cherokee
wow I like the Side Armor
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:12 am
by Livin4Today
Ace_Cherokee wrote:wow I like the Side Armor
Yeah, we were looking for something stout as we already know we tear stuff up... (Tara destroyed her nerf bars, and I decimated my right step rail & fender) We're hoping these will help us to not trash anything else...
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:16 am
by Ace_Cherokee
JK Lance wrote:Ace_Cherokee wrote:wow I like the Side Armor
Yeah, we were looking for something stout as we already know we tear stuff up... (Tara destroyed her nerf bars, and I decimated my right step rail & fender) We're hoping these will help us to not trash anything else...
Oh I remember reading about that! Glad you didnt get pissed off and decide to quit wheeling when you broke something.
I have seen that happen before..
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:27 am
by Livin4Today
Ace_Cherokee wrote:Oh I remember reading about that! Glad you didnt get pissed off and decide to quit wheeling when you broke something.
I have seen that happen before..
Not us, we're into these gems for life, in fact we hope to incoporate them, or some like these into a cool retirement gig! I'll tell you about it Friday...

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:30 am
by Ace_Cherokee
JK Lance wrote:Ace_Cherokee wrote:Oh I remember reading about that! Glad you didnt get pissed off and decide to quit wheeling when you broke something.
I have seen that happen before..
Not us, we're into these gems for life, in fact we hope to incoporate them, or some like these into a cool retirement gig! I'll tell you about it Friday...

That will be great!
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:05 pm
by Lud
Second on the drop pitman arm for the TJ. Don't bother with it under a 6" lift.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:41 pm
by Livin4Today
Lud wrote:Second on the drop pitman arm for the TJ. Don't bother with it under a 6" lift.
OK leave the TJ pitman alone, got it.... So Toby thoughts on the JK pitman? And while we're at it, i Seafoamed the intake tonight, great smoke show and guess what else I found???
Yep both exhaust manifolds are cracked... There's another $3-400 for shorty headers, or I could just buy replacements for half that, but are they just going to crack again??? Again any thoughts???
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:50 pm
by rennat_2006
Ive got a cheap'o pitman arm puller that you can borrow if you end up needing one.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:14 am
by OldGreen
Mine is locked up.....I asked Toby about it.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:26 am
by Livin4Today
OldGreen wrote:Mine is locked up.....I asked Toby about it.
I can get one down the street at O'Reilly's for $13.50 that I get back upon return...