CJ Revisited

[Don]

Well I got the CJ on the road this last summer, but never made it to the trails. I made leaps and bounds on getting my problems fixed, only to take 3 steps back this winter. When I moved to Spokane I had just gotten my cooling whoa straightend out. Because I drained and filled the cooling system so many time I was just using water so I wouldn't kill another cat. Well, I hauled the CJ to Spokane late one night, too tired to unload it. Went to unload it the next morning and the water pump was frozen. Hopeing for luck, I thawed the upper radiator hose, thermostat housing and water pump. I got it running, but as it warmed up I realilzed my worst fears. About a 3in separation in the block just above the "freeze plugs".

So .... now on to better things. I now have an engine donor:



This beaut is a 1991 Lincoln Mark VII Bill Blass Edition ... booked new at $33,000!! It so happens to be equiped with a fuel injected 5.0 HO. The same motor that came in the mustangs that year.

So ... put 2 and 2 together and I have one hell of a winter project. I will start tearing the jeep down as soon as I have benches built.

Wish me luck ... wiring is not my forte

[Lurch]

Let me know if you need a hand. I have done alot of research on swapping in a 5.0. I plan on doing the same swap after the first of the year. I also have acces to factory wirng manuals.

[Don]

I'm trying to sort out a cost effective transmission/ transfer case combo. Right now I have my t150/20, the 2wd AOD in the lincoln, and a 2wd t18a 4spd. My dilema is, the t150 sucks, and the other two transmissions will take big $$$ to adapt to the Dana 20. Then is the dilema ... if I'm going to adapt to anything, I should get a Dana 300 ... but still ... more $$$. I have been pondering a c6/203/ ??? doubler set up. C6 goes to a Ford 203 with no adapters, then the doubler kit for a 205 is about $450. But still, I have to buy the c6/203.

Now, I just ran across a guy with a J10 t18a/dana 20 for $300. I'm thinking this may be the ticket. Then sell my t18 to make up some of the difference.

What does it take to put a jeep t18 behind a Ford 302.

[77 j-10]

don i have got the 4 speed and transfer out of my j-10 if you can use, i will make you screaming deal

[Don]

Do you know if it's a t18 or a t176?

[OldGreen]

What does it take to put a jeep t18 behind a Ford 302.

It takes a Ford Bellhousing. The T18 has a ford pattern on the face of the tranny (butterfly) and should have the correct input shaft (1 1/4" 10 spline I think)

[Don]

I think the fs jeep input is too long. But i've got the correct bell housing, and input in the Ford tranny I already have. Just swap that to the jeep and I should be good to go. I've read that jeep has the butterfly bolt pattern, and Ford has square, but it is just a matter of redrilling the bell housing.

[OldGreen]

I thought you were talking about a CJ T18. They are the same input shaft.

The FSJ shaft is about 22.3 miles too long. There might be something about the input bearing retainer too. ..can't remember. . .

[bobracing]

How about pulling the adapter off the FSJ trans and putting on the Ford trans?
I know the CJ came with the 4:1 instead of 6:1 first gear, don't know about the FSJs. Same thing with Scouts, find a cheap T18 and just pull the adapter if needed.

[Lurch]

If you could find one the early bonco c4 comes mated to a dana 20. The front output would be on the wrong side but the adapter should be the same.

[OldGreen]

How about pulling the adapter off the FSJ trans and putting on the Ford trans?
I know the CJ came with the 4:1 instead of 6:1 first gear, don't know about the FSJs. Same thing with Scouts, find a cheap T18 and just pull the adapter if needed.

CJ from 1972 to 1975 came with 4:1, but the T18A in the CJ from 1977 to 1979 was 6.3:1. Either way, they used Dana 20 Tcases. The Scout T18 is not interchangable easily as the input shaft and the input bearing retainer are different. The other thing about the early CJ T18 is that the use the slightly longer T15 style input shaft and bellhousing so they are not adaptable to the Ford motor unless the input shaft is changed. This is all from memory. . .so I could be wrong.

If I were going to do a Ford motor, I'd do a Ford T18/19 and buy the adapter for a D300 from Advance Adapters. I think the 2WD version is the easiest. If you want to keep the D20, a Jeep FSJ T18 with a Ford input shaft might be tidy

[benw]

If you could find one the early bonco c4 comes mated to a dana 20. The front output would be on the wrong side but the adapter should be the same.

No, the bronco Dana 20 adapter has a round bolt pattern. Not compatible with the jeep Texas pattern.

[Don]

The options I'm considering right now are the getting the fs jeep t18/d20, swapping in the ford input shaft, and adapting it to the Ford bellhousing.

Or ... Adapt my 2wd t18 to a D300. I'll do the latter if I can work out a deal on a D300.

Or ... rebuild the AOD from the Lincoln. From what I understand the tailhousing is the same round bolt pattern as the D300. Then I'd just need to modify the trans output to work with the D300. Only problem is you can't manually lock the AOD in 2nd gear. The pattern is 1 D OD

[Don]

a Jeep FSJ T18 with a Ford input shaft might be tidy

Toby?