PEAK PUTTERS

Here:

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/RecreationEducati ... e_rec.aspx

Sorry Jimmy, but that's not detailed enough. To be absolutely sure you're not tredding on state land one needs to pick up said national forest map and look at the area you intend to travel. In some cases you will be traveling (both roads and trails) through state land to get to your destination even though from a general map standpoint is will say your on national forest land.

It's like kennewick which has islands of county land within their city boundry's.

Another thing that I recently found out is that the National Forest Service is not going to maintain trail markers any more. In order to make sure you're on properly designaged trails you will have to pick up what's being called a "Travel Plan Map" from your local ranger station. If, you are caught on a road that you are not supposed to be on...you guess it....it's a ticket.

That Forest policy is somewhat henhouse in my opinion...

Grumpy wrote:That Forest policy is somewhat henhouse in my opinion...

Meaning?

Danny wrote:Sorry Jimmy, but that's not detailed enough. To be absolutely sure you're not tredding on state land one needs to pick up said national forest map and look at the area you intend to travel. In some cases you will be traveling (both roads and trails) through state land to get to your destination even though from a general map standpoint is will say your on national forest land.

It's like kennewick which has islands of county land within their city boundry's.

Another thing that I recently found out is that the National Forest Service is not going to maintain trail markers any more. In order to make sure you're on properly designaged trails you will have to pick up what's being called a "Travel Plan Map" from your local ranger station. If, you are caught on a road that you are not supposed to be on...you guess it....it's a ticket.

You are only partially correct. The discovery pass isn't for ALL state lands. It is only for lands designated as recreation areas and targeted for enforcement. For instance, there are many parcels of state land in SE Washington and not one of them requires a discovery pass at this point. . .including the Wooten area. The Discovery Pass website is very clear on the areas affected. We have Ahtanum, the Colockum, and the Lt. Murray area to deal with for the most part.

Another point. . .Oak Creek Wildlife area is a large portion of the entrance to the wheelin' grounds at Naches. . .it is NOT a Discovery Pass area.

As far as marked roads. . .yeah, the forest plan for the Snoqualmie/Baker NF has that policy in effect and requires you to carry a map. Wenatchee is still "closed unless marked open" as of today and DNR/Game Department is a mixed bag including Green Dot.

It is still only clear as mud.
I think the map only shows DNR required areas not the others. [Still, Jim thanks for posting the link; I've added the map to my map collection.] I tried to find a quote that would say where the pass is required, but I am mired in explanations and exceptions.
I think you get the pass and post it and know you are covered on state lands. If you don't feel like spending the cash for multiple vehicles, it would be hard to tell when you are in the right or the wrong on state lands and enforcement may be impossible.
I'm lucky, I only need one... I'll hang my WDFW pass in the Grand and will be mostly covered. It is insane that someone like Jose may be required to buy three for his family.
Bad Law!

The pass is required to access state recreation lands and water access sites managed by Washington State Parks (State Parks), Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR). These lands include state parks, water access points, heritage sites, wildlife and natural areas, trails and trailheads. The Discover Pass will be needed to access DNR’s developed or designated recreation areas, sites, trailheads and parking areas. For a complete list of exemptions, please go to the Discover Pass website.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/discoverpass/
http://discoverpass.wa.gov/exemptions/

To even add further confusion, the WDFW site says that you only need the Discover pass to park from April 1 to December 1. . .doesn't say anything about driving around or "accessing".

I'm going to hold out just to be a fly in the ointment until they can clarify what it all means. I'm thinking that if FYBR is at Ahtanum this year, I'll have to spring for one, but I'm not going to buy one on the off chance that I cross a one mile checkerboard on my way to the top of Manastash Ridge in Naches. Heck, buy the way they are promoting it, anyone driving down 410 or hiway 12 needs one of the stupid things.

I almost hope I get a ticket. I'll take it to court.

OldGreen wrote:Heck, buy the way they are promoting it, anyone driving down 410 or hiway 12 needs one of the stupid things.

So well said.
I just wonder when they can't enforce it, will they give me my money back.